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of this country with something similar to what's happened in detroit. so just the fact that you're for obama care and the government taking care of us from cradle to grave, it doesn't mean anything if you can't pay for it. we're running out of steam and running out of ability to pay for this. >> if there were no affordable care act, 30 million or maybe more americans would have no health insurance. you got to do something about that, right? >> well, yes, it's a complicated problem because of how it was messed up. i was raised in a family of five in a depression of world war ii. they never had insurance. nobody went without insurance. but it's the system that has been created by government intervention that makes people do this. the whole idea of how you get a tax deduction, you know, the fact that big corporations can get a tax deduction, they can give medical care to the people but if you are independent or a small business owner, you are excluded. so you want to get rid of the hindrances and just not dwell on what are the complications when you get rid of all the bad things the government has b
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